Buo said: 2) "it was only good for wasting another life there" For the Haibane it is the total opposite actually. "What's the meaning in life that does not advance knowledge?" You don't necessarily need to be extremely knowledgeable to live a fulfilling life, many people prefer to live a very simple life rather than the opposite, which is actually fitting considering the fact that the Haibane live very short lives. Even then, the "knowledge" aspect is present in the form of legacy and culture Glie is built around. "and technology?" This aspect might indeed be restricted by the Tougas (the people who bring goods from beyond the walls) to avoid things to get out of hands. It's obvious that the most important reason Glie exists, and perhaps the only reason it exists, is for the Haibane, so it's better to keep things as simple as possible to allow the Haibane to find salvation more efficiently. One thing I noticed is that the technology there has interesting gaps (no telephone system for example). But they have music players and headphones and electric lights and internal combustion engines. You also have to realize that Glie definitely isn't your normal and average town. Glie is a timeless and hermetically sealed simulation of a place where humans and most importantly Haibane can thrive. It's an artificial bubble. And the main purpose of its existence is far greater than any other random town you would find on Earth. Indeed. It's this aspect of the show that I find to be my complete antithesis, a dystopian place with no future and no hope. Buo said: And one last thing, just because an anime shows something doesn't mean it is the absolute truth one must follow (or something of the sort). In fact, Haibane Renmei is never preachy about anything at all, and after observing the way the characters react to what Glie is and what it might represent for them, it is fairly easy to see that there is no such thing as "the ultimate truth" in this anime. Some accept Glie for what it is, others don't. Some think the Wall is here to protect them, others think it is here to imprison them. Apparently you, yourself, seem to hate both the town and the Wall, it goes to show you that the anime managed to make you think, and worked wonderfully as a contemplative work. That's why you shouldn't hold a grudge against Haibane Renmei, because what you felt while watching this anime came from inside you and the show was able to trigger that reaction. I'm actually glad I found someone like you who seems to loathe both the Wall and the town, it's a very interesting approach. And it shows who you really are and what ideas you stand for, I wholeheartedly prefer talking about Haibane Renmei with someone like you rather than with people who just say: "it was good or bad" but don't even know why or can only give technical reasons (especially if you consider how well this anime is executed), subjective reasoning is what really is interesting with Haibane Renmei. I can only agree with you. It's just that I avoid watching/reading dystopias, otherwise I might have watched it to the end. Tevens said: @Mamster-P i'm worried more on "anime bad reputation" or "Ecchi gives anime bad name" problems. "Porn". on every people's view, obvious, the word of "Porn" is not a good thing, and logicaly it gives a bad effect for humans brain or hormones especially for kids. and what if kids below 15 years old watch anime with ecchi genre ? not something good will happen i bet. Ecchi is considered as a "Porn" but it's a soft porn, not a hardcore one, and on top of that it's not real. mostly adult viewers who doesn't know anime would think anime is a bad entertaiment if they watch Ecchi show for the first time. but if they watch something different than Ecchi for the first time, at least they would think it's an "OKAY" entertaiment. but if you go deep more about anime, they find the thing called "Ecchi" and most people especially adult, would think anime is a bad entetaiment. only teens around 15-25 age would like it. i think that's how anime got a bad reputation. and i want to think how to change the reputation into a good one. I feel that you are unduly oppressing teenagers. At 15 years old, they already know everything there is to know about sex. And some of them have already tried it. An ecchi anime isn't going to change anything about it. Well, some hardcore hentai could be bad, but ecchi, ordinary hentai or ordinary porn definitely isn't going to hurt them. Kalisto said: I once watched a bullet fly between two bouncing boobs. I believe that was Highschool of the Dead. This shit needs to stop. Why? It was funny and memorable. Now we know that that "boing" sound is breasts breaking the sound barrier. kitsune0 said: Kruszer said: And that's what you rightfully getting for not paying attention to genres. It's otome/shoujo. So bitching about it if you're male as stupid as bitching about yaoi. You called it on yourself.Because it's a whole show about a bunch of absolutely unlikable scumbags abusing, insulting, and torturing a typical unlikable brainless shoujo anime girl, mentally and physically, as they hold her captive in their house and treat her like cattle. As a man, I found watching it was offensive to my morals and intelligence and is one of the few works of fiction (or anything in life really) that has caused me to experience a level of anger I would call rage, which is a feat in and of itself considering I'm not that easy to offend. I've seen other reverse harems (Pretear, Arcana Famiglia, Akagami no Shirayuki-hime), and they weren't rapey, and there were likeable males there. |
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flannan said: And? There are also a bloody metric ton of vanilla hentai. And NTR. And rape. And also tsunderes (romantic subgenre about females abusing males, both verbally & physically). And there are also "female domination" subgenre. And harems where male abused & humiliated by said harem (Higurashi anybody?). And finally BDSM where every party can find satisfaction. See where I goes?I've seen other reverse harems (Pretear, Arcana Famiglia, Akagami no Shirayuki-hime), and they weren't rapey, and there were likeable males there. |
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kitsune0 said: flannan said: And? There are also a bloody metric ton of vanilla hentai. And NTR. And rape. And also tsunderes (romantic subgenre about females abusing males, both verbally & physically). And there are also "female domination" subgenre. And harems where male abused & humiliated by said harem (Higurashi anybody?). And finally BDSM where every party can find satisfaction. See where I goes?I've seen other reverse harems (Pretear, Arcana Famiglia, Akagami no Shirayuki-hime), and they weren't rapey, and there were likeable males there. I feel that we don't understand each other. I'll try to restate what I've been saying. 1) Disclaimer: I haven't actually seen Diabolic Lovers, I've only heard about it, so I do not make a claim it's my antithesis. 2) I don't know if abusive reverse harems like Diabolic Lovers are frequent in the genre. I do know that out of 3 reverse-harems that I have watched, not one of them was like that. 3) That said, for a man who had accidentally watched Diabolic Lovers (if it's really as vile as they say), it's perfectly reasonable to say it's their antithesis. Because those vampires (or whatever they are) are something we men try not to be. Because we have soul, conscience, empathy and other good traits. 4) There is no surprise that most people name shows that belong to the genres they dislike. A lot of people here named whole genres! |
| @flannan, what I mean is - every romantic or hentai genre naturally include subgenres focusing on abusing, you should expect it and either brace yourself if you're going to watch the whole genre or do a little more digging beforehand to avoid trauma. |
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| @flannan not hurt them. sometimes it could effect their sexual desire and get over sexualized. i know ecchi isn't going to change anything or isn't going to hurt them but sometimes, people get over sexualized by it, they can't control their own sexual desire, and start assault girls IRL. and i think that's how anime got a bad reputation. |
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Tevens said: @flannan not hurt them. sometimes it could effect their sexual desire and get over sexualized. i know ecchi isn't going to change anything or isn't going to hurt them but sometimes, people get over sexualized by it, they can't control their own sexual desire, and start assault girls IRL. and i think that's how anime got a bad reputation. I believe this to be a very unproven statement characteristic of anti-sexuality propaganda. There are no known cases where a person lost control of his/her sexuality as a result of contact with any kind of sexuality-related information. People who committed school shootings were disturbed people from the start, and violent video games didn't make them this way. |
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kitsune0 said: Kruszer said: And that's what you rightfully getting for not paying attention to genres. It's otome/shoujo. So bitching about it if you're male as stupid as bitching about yaoi. You called it on yourself.Because it's a whole show about a bunch of absolutely unlikable scumbags abusing, insulting, and torturing a typical unlikable brainless shoujo anime girl, mentally and physically, as they hold her captive in their house and treat her like cattle. As a man, I found watching it was offensive to my morals and intelligence and is one of the few works of fiction (or anything in life really) that has caused me to experience a level of anger I would call rage, which is a feat in and of itself considering I'm not that easy to offend. I'm much closer to the targeted audience of Diabolik Lovers and I like bishounen as much as the next girl; I even like 'jerk bishounen' but I can vouch this show is f*cking terrible. It's for girls who are masochists. They insert themselves into the heroine's role so they can fantasize of being tortured by pretty asshole vampires. XD I can't get on board with that. I like interesting, strong-spirited heroines and guys who are less assholish in my shoujo series. |
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Uhio said: probably that swimming pool anime called Free! seriously, what the FUCK even is that? it doesn't stimulate me at all, not even like... sexually, and I like men in speedos. You just said it, you like ''men'' in speedos. The characters in Free aren't men, they're feminine fuckboys. I will never watch Free because i hate those kind of piece of shits which are too feminine to be called boys but don't have female parts so they aren't females either. Whatever the guys in free are, it's not humans, that's for sure. Not that characters in other anime aren't the same. SAO has a feminine main character too, and don't get me started on Saijaku Muhai no Bahamut, not only was this anime horrible, it had a girl with a penis as a main character ( Ranpo Kitan was the same ). So yeah, for me the antithesis is an anime that has a girl for a penis as a main character ( Nagisa from AssClass is fine as he is a good character and it explains mostly why he is so feminine. ) |
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TheKawaiiZombie said: [ You just said it, you like ''men'' in speedos. The characters in Free aren't men, they're feminine fuckboys. I will never watch Free because i hate those kind of piece of shits which are too feminine to be called boys but don't have female parts so they aren't females either. Uh  If Makoto is "feminine", I'm the queen of England. lol |
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Chiibi said: TheKawaiiZombie said: [ You just said it, you like ''men'' in speedos. The characters in Free aren't men, they're feminine fuckboys. I will never watch Free because i hate those kind of piece of shits which are too feminine to be called boys but don't have female parts so they aren't females either. Uh If Makoto is "feminine", I'm the queen of England. lol Meh, i've seen pictures of characters from free and almost all of them were fuckboys that looked really feminine so there might be some that aren't but i've seen a lot that are. I remember seeing a blue haired, a blond and i think a red haired guy and they all looked super feminine. |
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TheKawaiiZombie said: I remember seeing a blue haired, a blond and i think a red haired guy and they all looked super feminine. Lol no. How do you define "super feminine"? If they don't have ugly faces or body hair? No. This is how a normal "made to be handsome" anime guy looks:  THIS is how a "super feminine" guy looks:  I trust I don't have to point out the differences? XD |
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| What if I said... Shigatsu? I actually enjoyed this Angel Beats? disliked entirely FMA Brotherhood? enjoyed very much Hmm, probably a few more... I could throw SAO in there but I feel like that doesn't say much because it's almost everyone's antithesis, but to me, it was a little worse than that. |
| [quote=kitsune0 message=45728253] Kruszer said: 1.) Except that I actually LIKE some shoujo and josei stuff, so avoiding it offhandedly like that is dumb and pointless. Heck I've even liked other adaptations based on otome games like Amnesia so that doesn't work. Trial and error is still the best method. Amnesia was just as bad though xDD. She was also locked in a cage, treated like crap, almost murdered, and the list goes on lol. Also she was brainless as well besides the fact that she had amnesia. Amnesia was is literally the antithesis of anime I enjoy. I remember watching it all the way through and was pissed that I wasted my time :/. |
Nico- said: Probably something like Date A Live or Twin Star Exorcists. Is it because you dislike arranged marriages and similar things? (they don't seem to have much in common otherwise) ShiroiMuffler said: I could throw SAO in there but I feel like that doesn't say much because it's almost everyone's antithesis, but to me, it was a little worse than that. Well, for me SAO is pretty much everything that I like in anime. Cool protagonist, beautiful girls, sci-fi, great art and music, cute girls, relevant, proper endings, and did I mention girls? If only they returned the battle commentary from the novels, it would be perfect. |
Kruszer said: TheBrainintheJar said: Everyone seems to really hate it but it looks okay from here. Why is it so bad? Because it's a whole show about a bunch of absolutely unlikable scumbags abusing, insulting, and torturing a typical unlikable brainless shoujo anime girl, mentally and physically, as they hold her captive in their house and treat her like cattle. As a man, I found watching it was offensive to my morals and intelligence and is one of the few works of fiction (or anything in life really) that has caused me to experience a level of anger I would call rage, which is a feat in and of itself considering I'm not that easy to offend. Wasn't it supposed to be a reverse harem? I will now watch it just so I could say I survived the horror. |
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| It would probably Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo? It is a gary stu one man show which lack of self-awareness. There's a lot of gary stu shows out there, but they are fully aware of itself and well intended. Take Sakamoto-san for example, is a fun show because the over the top MC are meant to reach your expectations, and shoots through it. Mondaiji on the other hand never reached there, is just a curbstomp after curbstomp, forget about the plot, if MC didn't already done his magical luck of finding key items before anything happens, he will fix anything just by kicking every villain in their balls. And yet the author tried to make excuses like how superman are only weak to cryptonite, but in the show there was no lex luthor nor cryptonite. The only salvageable thing from the show is the kemonomimi people, and that's it. |
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| As far as I remember Mirai Nikki and F/SN are the only ones I felt anger while watching them. I guess it has to do with some negative traits and views some characters display that are being thrown at us constantly till they are seen ok within the series. With MN I had problems with Yuno it was her unhealthy and psychotic obsession with Yukiteru and how somehow it's presented as true love between them in the show. With F/SN it's mostly Shirou's relationship with Saber and while his views and preaching nature were wrong we are constantly bombarded with them. It's an exercise in frustration to be able to tolerate him. Diabolic Lovers is also worth mentioning. It made me also super uncomfortable and couldn't go past the 1st episode. |
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| Oh hey an interesting topic. Well out of what I completed the first show that popped into my head was K. The type of series I love tend to stand out and be easily recognized (whether it be due to unique artstyle/character designs, directing, atmosphere, specific type of narrative, etc.) so it's a miracle I was able to even finish something so bland, soulless, and by-the-book, when I hardly even give things like that the time of day anymore. Been a few months since I've seen it but iirc the main issues I had with it were: I'm sure if I scrolled down my list I'd be able to find better examples of an antithesis, but this fits the quota pretty well Out of the stuff I haven't seen? Usually things you can tell will likely be trash just from their cover art/premise like Date A Live, Asterisk War, Hundred. etc |
TheBrainintheJar said: Kruszer said: Because it's a whole show about a bunch of absolutely unlikable scumbags abusing, insulting, and torturing a typical unlikable brainless shoujo anime girl, mentally and physically, as they hold her captive in their house and treat her like cattle. As a man, I found watching it was offensive to my morals and intelligence and is one of the few works of fiction (or anything in life really) that has caused me to experience a level of anger I would call rage, which is a feat in and of itself considering I'm not that easy to offend. Wasn't it supposed to be a reverse harem? I will now watch it just so I could say I survived the horror. HAVE FUN, BRUH. XD Actually if you treat it LIKE a horror flick, it does kind of work. That's how I treated it. I've never seen something in this genre this UNromantic and UNcute.... |
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Halicone said: As far as I remember Mirai Nikki and F/SN are the only ones I felt anger while watching them. I guess it has to do with some negative traits and views some characters display that are being thrown at us constantly till they are seen ok within the series. With MN I had problems with Yuno it was her unhealthy and psychotic obsession with Yukiteru and how somehow it's presented as true love between them in the show. With F/SN it's mostly Shirou's relationship with Saber and while his views and preaching nature were wrong we are constantly bombarded with them. It's an exercise in frustration to be able to tolerate him. From what I know, both shows are aware that Shirou's views and Yuno's obsession aren't normal. Well, F/SN anime might be bad at explaining it, but Yuno was played for creepy from the start. |
Halicone said: Isn't it funny how in "Tsukihime" - by the same author, BTW - it's vice-versa: one of the best protagonists out there while everything else is utter crap?F/SN it's mostly Shirou's relationship with Saber and while his views and preaching nature were wrong we are constantly bombarded with them. It's an exercise in frustration to be able to tolerate him. Kaimon said: That's happened, as I believe, because creators initially tried to make show appealing to female audience, i.e. - tried to pass shoujo as shounen (Kuroshit & D.Gray-man are another examples). That's why every male is bishounen and every female here - well, just to fill in the blanks, so hardly any developed, even as potential fanservice element.K. Been a few months since I've seen it but iirc the main issues I had with it were: -Cast full of underdeveloped samefaced pretty boys with trope-y personalities -Female characters that exist just for the sake of fanservice and waifu-ing I've managed to complete it just on pure curiosity - can creators pull at least one interesting idea? |
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| [quote=Cejara message=45738097] kitsune0 said: Kruszer said: 1.) Except that I actually LIKE some shoujo and josei stuff, so avoiding it offhandedly like that is dumb and pointless. Heck I've even liked other adaptations based on otome games like Amnesia so that doesn't work. Trial and error is still the best method. Amnesia was just as bad though xDD. She was also locked in a cage, treated like crap, almost murdered, and the list goes on lol. Also she was brainless as well besides the fact that she had amnesia. Amnesia was is literally the antithesis of anime I enjoy. I remember watching it all the way through and was pissed that I wasted my time :/. Except that was two arcs in the series as opposed to all of it and the story was more interesting and most of the characters were actually likable. |
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Nagirah said: flannan said: From what I know, both shows are aware that Shirou's views and Yuno's obsession aren't normal. Well, F/SN anime might be bad at explaining it, but Yuno was played for creepy from the start. Well Shirou admits himself that he is hypocritical and his ideals are flawed, but that's what makes it so frustrating. He knows he is wrong, but does nothing to change for the better. Probably one of the most frustrating moments I've ever witnessed in all of anime. In Mirai Nikki It's more like he can't do anything to change for the "better". He's messed up in the head and doesn't like anything apart from hero-related stuff. Also while he admits that his ideals are flawed he still sees them as worth chasing. Hence, he doesn't change them. Rather if he couldn't do anything but change them then he'd probably roll over and die. |
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Chiibi said: TheKawaiiZombie said: I remember seeing a blue haired, a blond and i think a red haired guy and they all looked super feminine. Lol no. How do you define "super feminine"? If they don't have ugly faces or body hair? No. This is how a normal "made to be handsome" anime guy looks: THIS is how a "super feminine" guy looks: I trust I don't have to point out the differences? XD ... No, well, if they don't have body hair, YES they are feminine. No body hair means you have no testosterone. The feminine guy in the picture has an even more feminine face than the guys in free but he has a more masculine body than most of them lol ( In terms of how large he is, most guys in Free have about 30cms between a shoulder and the other, That doesn't include the one you've shown in the other picture, Makoto i think ? ), at least he looks like he wieghts more than 90 pounds. That's saying a lot. Let's put it that way, do you consider Justin Bieber to not be feminine ? Because Justin Bieber is similar to some of the guys in Free. Well, lets' just end it there if you want, and agree to disagree or something. |
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TheKawaiiZombie said: ... No, well, if they don't have body hair, YES they are feminine. No body hair means you have no testosterone. That's ridiculous. Are you unaware that WOMEN have body hair? That's why we have to shave our legs. Let's put it that way, do you consider Justin Bieber to not be feminine ? That would require me LOOKING at the little shit. No thanks. lol |
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Chiibi said: Wait, you mean - like men, on the chest?!Are you unaware that WOMEN have body hair? ...but then who's been all that girls I've been sleeping with?!  |
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Chiibi said: TheKawaiiZombie said: ... No, well, if they don't have body hair, YES they are feminine. No body hair means you have no testosterone. That's ridiculous. Are you unaware that WOMEN have body hair? That's why we have to shave our legs. Let's put it that way, do you consider Justin Bieber to not be feminine ? That would require me LOOKING at the little shit. No thanks. lol Women have testosterone too... Just way less than males. The reason males have chest hair, beard and all hair that most women normally don't have is because of the superior amount of testosterone they have. That's basic science. I understand it's hard to look at the piece of shit that's called Justin Bieber so i understand why you don't wanna do it. Free is ''Manservice'', fanservice for women and gays, but with mostly boys instead of man ( And their age makes no difference, it's like saying a 18 yo loli is a woman and not a girl ). Watching Free is pretty much like watching a loli harem but in reverse. |
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eturnity said: Mushishi -mystery genre, which is one I dislike (its not impressive when the cure defies reason "just because") -lack of interesting characters/ dynamics or character growth (MC is stoic/ doesn't have any great interactions, and patients are plot devices who only show up for 1 episode) -repetitive (introduce patient/ find cause) The usual praise I see it gets for the sound/ art/ story make me annoyed. To me it seems to be a very shallow show that "critics" and "elitists" praise because its a show that kept them mildly entertained. Some of the flaws that you point out within the show are not generally problems that affects the overall story, this seems more of a personal problem that you have with the show. 1) Disliking the show because of it's genre makes little sense, if you knew it was mystery (even do mushishi doesn't touch much this subject) why did you bother to watch it in the first place? sorry but this also sounds like some kind of lame excuses just for the sake of disliking the show. Also the mystery element of the show are not even the main focus of the series to begin with. While each individual episode focuses on the mushi of the week and the mystery behind the mechanics of each of them, the true focus of the series is how each affects the characters of the week and impacts their lives. "its not impressive when the cure defies reason "just because" Serious what??? 2) Yet again you watching the show with the wrong mindset! Mushishi is not a character driving story, it is a episodic and anthology show that uses to simplistic elements which is characters and plot. The characters are not complex and the plot is not even remotely intricate, but that is what makes the stories shine on its own. Also if you were expecting so kind of character development or a big conflict between the characters in a EPISODIC show then maybe you're not watching the right series. 3) How does that make any sense? and how does that affect the overall story? I would generally admit that mushishi tends to have some parts that are kind of repetitive but each individual episode has its own life lessons, symbolism and deep message that are completely different from each other. So it annoys you that people are giving reason as to why they like it, rather than say that they like it because is good? huh? how does that make any sense at all? Also many of the praises that the shows received comes from masterful storytelling and surreal portrayal of his world. I honestly have no problems with someone disliking or pointing out flaws within a show, but when they can't give constructed or reasonable reasons as to why is bad or how it affects the show as hold, then that's when I get kind of annoy. -Mastergold |
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Nagirah said: TheKawaiiZombie said: ... No, well, if they don't have body hair, YES they are feminine. No body hair means you have no testosterone. The feminine guy in the picture has an even more feminine face than the guys in free but he has a more masculine body than most of them lol ( In terms of how large he is, most guys in Free have about 30cms between a shoulder and the other, That doesn't include the one you've shown in the other picture, Makoto i think ? ), at least he looks like he wieghts more than 90 pounds. That's saying a lot. Let's put it that way, do you consider Justin Bieber to not be feminine ? Because Justin Bieber is similar to some of the guys in Free. Well, lets' just end it there if you want, and agree to disagree or something. By that logic every anime character ever is feminine, because they don't have body hair. Their are anime characters with body hair. |
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flannan said: ShiroiMuffler said: I could throw SAO in there but I feel like that doesn't say much because it's almost everyone's antithesis, but to me, it was a little worse than that. Well, for me SAO is pretty much everything that I like in anime. Cool protagonist, beautiful girls, sci-fi, great art and music, cute girls, relevant, proper endings, and did I mention girls? If only they returned the battle commentary from the novels, it would be perfect. I respect those reasons for liking SAO, especially the girls part :P, though I'd question "cool protagonist". From what I can see you really value the entertainment/enjoyment (don't debate me on this, there are whole threads dedicated to it), which is exactly I like about SAO as well, but there's something that makes me dislike it, it's hard to describe but I truly felt the author was trying to make SAO out to be more than it really was, like he was living his own fantasy while writing it and had his own distorted idea of life values, possibly from playing too much RPG games (the irony). This led to him failing to write a meaningful story. A lot of people write SAO off as something that was just there to satisfy some of our otaku desires and to its credit, it does a really good job, but I feel like that was just what ended up being, rather than the original purpose. The author wanted it be grand but ultimately failed at it and god forbid me if I'm wrong about this, I'm being very general here but you can talk to me for a deeper description tldr an anime fails for me if it fails at what it was trying to do, if SAO was really only there to entertain (and be an escapism outlet), then I would've been just fine with it. |
ShiroiMuffler said: flannan said: Well, for me SAO is pretty much everything that I like in anime. Cool protagonist, beautiful girls, sci-fi, great art and music, cute girls, relevant, proper endings, and did I mention girls? If only they returned the battle commentary from the novels, it would be perfect. I respect those reasons for liking SAO, especially the girls part :P, though I'd question "cool protagonist". From what I can see you really value the entertainment/enjoyment (don't debate me on this, there are whole threads dedicated to it), which is exactly I like about SAO as well, but there's something that makes me dislike it, it's hard to describe but I truly felt the author was trying to make SAO out to be more than it really was, like he was living his own fantasy while writing it and had his own distorted idea of life values, possibly from playing too much RPG games (the irony). This led to him failing to write a meaningful story. A lot of people write SAO off as something that was just there to satisfy some of our otaku desires and to its credit, it does a really good job, but I feel like that was just what ended up being, rather than the original purpose. The author wanted it be grand but ultimately failed at it and god forbid me if I'm wrong about this, I'm being very general here but you can talk to me for a deeper description tldr an anime fails for me if it fails at what it was trying to do, if SAO was really only there to entertain (and be an escapism outlet), then I would've been just fine with it. 1) Yes, Kirito is similar to the author and the viewers. I like him better than the generic male of romantic harems, and better than the dumb protagonists of many shounen anime. Because he is more similar to a real person. For example, after he solves the problems of the first season, he has goals for the future that are more reasonable than "I'm going to become the badassiest fighter there is!". I'm too old to relate to typical shounen goals. 2) We may disagree with Kirito's views on a number of subjects, but I like that he actually says them, and the subjects that he talks about are reasonably relevant to our modern life. GitS has virtual reality too, but do they question whether it's okay to be mean to others online? 3) If the author's goals and the audience's goals meet, isn't it great? I like to think it's because the author is one of us. Horizon355 said: SoL (except a few), I don't get why anyone would want to see what happens in everyday's life animated. What is the point ? Just go out 1) There is no life outside your apartment. 2) Even if there is one, there would be no cute girls doing cute things there. 3) Even if there are any cute girls doing cute things, you'll get arrested for watching them or interacting with them. On a side note, why keep an aquarium when there are plenty of fish in the sea? TheKawaiiZombie said: Watching Free is pretty much like watching a loli harem but in reverse. Now I want to watch Free even more. |
Mastergold said: Its my antithesis. It conflicts with my personal taste. The problems of the show are still there though, perhaps not as prevalent to everyone.Some of the flaws that you point out within the show are not generally problems that affects the overall story, this seems more of a personal problem that you have with the show. Mastergold said: I don't enjoy mysteries because they tend to not be character driven(rare example is Bakemonogatari, where the vast majority the show is to explore and develop the characters) 1) Disliking the show because of it's genre makes little sense, if you knew it was mystery (even do mushishi doesn't touch much this subject) why did you bother to watch it in the first place? sorry but this also sounds like some kind of lame excuses just for the sake of disliking the show. As to why I watched it, it is highly rated so why not watch it/ give it a try? Mastergold said: The mystery is worthless to put any effort or investment into. The cure could be a tree leaf, hot water, plant roots, or a kiss. As such it functions as a very weak mystery, of which you pointed out that this is not the show's strong point. "its not impressive when the cure defies reason "just because" Serious what??? Mastergold said: 2) Yet again you watching the show with the wrong mindset! Mushishi is not a character driving story, it is a episodic and anthology show that uses to simplistic elements which is characters and plot. Mastergold said: Please read your own statements. Or google what character driven and plot driven stories are.While each individual episode focuses on the mushi of the week and the mystery behind the mechanics of each of them, the true focus of the series is how each affects the characters of the week and impacts their lives. Mastergold said: Almost all the episodes can be summed up in 4 sentences. The character and plot really aren't that impressive, so we can agree on that. The characters are not complex and the plot is not even remotely intricate, but that is what makes the stories shine on its own. Mastergold said: I was expecting so see a MC who shows more than one emotion the first half of the season. He is so 1 dimensional and stoic he may as well be mute. He could just have been a third person omniscient narrator telling tales of different doctors and it wouldn't have made a difference.Also if you were expecting so kind of character development or a big conflict between the characters in a EPISODIC show then maybe you're not watching the right series. Its just like Pokemon. Discuss a mushi and try to cure it. It gets boring after a short time. You mentioned it was a "a episodic and anthology show " of which I do agree. It felt alot like watching a nature documentary series like Nature or NOVA, except of made up fairy tales and unimportant fictional characters who show up for 1 episode. Mastergold said: Okay, fine. Its like the first season of Pokemon. Not very impressive. Life lessons, symbolism, and "deep messages" do not make great anime. They don't even make an anime better if the show at its core is shallow. I would generally admit that mushishi tends to have some parts that are kind of repetitive but each individual episode has its own life lessons, symbolism and deep message that are completely different from each other. The MC doesn't show a shred of emotion through his journey. Why should I as a watcher? Oh wait, I didn't because the patients are just things to be cured. Even the MC treats them as a plot device. Mastergold said: So it annoys you that people are giving reason as to why they like it, rather than say that they like it because is good? huh? how does that make any sense at all? It annoys me because they when they say it has a great story, I find out it is repetitive and unimpressive. When they say it has great art, I found out it has average art. When I hear praise for it being calm and relaxing, I then see social ostracization in the first episode, life threatening illnesses the next, and to watch a man bury his wife and daughter. It annoys me because the praise is wrong and deceiving. Its like watching people say SAO has great writing or recommending Boku no Pico under the pretense of a good story, but serious about it. This show is literally feels bait with a patient of the week to mildly entertain the watcher. Mastergold said: So they praise for story and its atmosphere(the art and music, which I stated in my comment) Another thing we can agree on.Also many of the praises that the shows received comes from masterful storytelling and surreal portrayal of his world. Mastergold said: I honestly have no problems with someone disliking or pointing out flaws within a show, but when they can't give constructed or reasonable reasons as to why is bad or how it affects the show as hold I never said it was bad. I did say Mushishi is about a 1 dimensional character in repetitive scenarios. If you can't come up with why such an anime would be shallow. Then I will quote your own words. Mastergold said: Mushishi is not a character driving story Also many of the praises that the shows received comes from masterful storytelling and surreal portrayal of his world. Which in other words is just spooky things happening as told by a monotonous wanderer , about people who serve as plot devices, with pretty colors. |
eturnityApr 26, 2016 4:33 AM
| Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei because it is the most idiotic anime ive seen in my life cant believe people enjoyed that shit!! and comet lucifer had good story but turned out shit.... |
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