VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

I wonder if what has been “cut off” from the Sam event isn’t the Sam/Ellie storyline...
Before all the teasers, I was under the impression that we would have a choice to either continue the Sophia/Sam path or begin a Sam/Ellie path.

A sort of way to end the Sophia/Sam relationship à la Dylan/Emma.

If that’s the case, then I’m glad that he pushed it for later.

Nothing against the Ellie/Sam shippers (if they even exist), but the game should be focused on Sophia and not on the side characters adventures .

When I look at the 2 polls of popularity, the only thing I see is that there’s Sophia and then there’s the rest.

If Sophia would have been included in the polls, she would have gathered 100% of the votes. Who’s second? Dylan with something like 14%, then Ellie with 13%, then Sam with 10%, etc.

People are mostly here to play “a wife and mother” aka : Sophia.

I have been an advocate of him doing a second game later with all the side stories of the side characters that end the “Sophia” path. Call it “a brother and sister” or “Parkers and friends”.

Or maybe, I’m completely wrong and it was about Sophia/and the bartender whoever in the bar...

That’s cool too . But again, if that’s the case, why introduce the homeless storyline in the previous storyline then?

Leldorin said:

it was about Sophia/and the bartender whoever in the bar...

That’s cool too . But again, if that’s the case, why introduce the homeless storyline in the previous storyline then?

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It is about Sophia and Dylan, that cockold path who started with Sam, later the mailman,...

I have to say I find L & P's answer this time, that the bar scene could later be expanded to include a DLC event, confusing. Of course, the bar offers plenty of space for all kinds of erotic situations. And I have no problem with it if L&P can imagine adding more content later (but I assume that this will never happen!). But his answer suggests that he is now leaving out content that is necessary for the overall story and is sacrificed to the tight schedule.
I like AWAM not least because it takes time to build up the story and make it understandable. Because "Meet and Fuck" games are enough and have no attraction for me. I don't like the Sam Route (because I can't stand Sam) but I can't ignore a well-told side path. If he starts to save on the story just because some of his patrons have other favorites, I personally think that sucks and alienates those who were looking forward to the Sam event and now have the impression that they are only in the second row.

hzjujk said:

I have to say I find L & P's answer this time, that the bar scene could later be expanded to include a DLC event, confusing. Of course, the bar offers plenty of space for all kinds of erotic situations. And I have no problem with it if L&P can imagine adding more content later (but I assume that this will never happen!). But his answer suggests that he is now leaving out content that is necessary for the overall story and is sacrificed to the tight schedule.
I like AWAM not least because it takes time to build up the story and make it understandable. Because "Meet and Fuck" games are enough and have no attraction for me. I don't like the Sam Route (because I can't stand Sam) but I can't ignore a well-told side path. If he starts to save on the story just because some of his patrons have other favorites, I personally think that sucks and alienates those who were looking forward to the Sam event and now have the impression that they are only in the second row.

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As I have stated, IF he starts cutting for supposed DLC's then the reality is he is getting ready to dump, bolt, exit stage left, whatever. He may not have an answer to all these paths.

I believe it is clear now he, at best, has an outline. Which means he needs to write the story not just for the update but, to try to accommodate all that has happened in last 4 years as well as make a reasoned approach to his future plans. It would have been hard enough to do when he was not under a production schedule. Now he is scrambling and the DLC path is a way to shove events/story out of the way to keep moving forward.


This is not a good thing to happen if a major event, like Sam's was supposed to be, gets short shrift. I am hoping I am wrong. The update will tell us, but with his production rate any DLC is a pipe dream.

Alley_Cat said:

The bar scene has more dead space than a black hole.

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Sounds like someone has been burning the last of their silicon....

That is an attempt at an Astrophysics joke (I have a layman's fascination for Supernova nucleosynthesis).

It may not be to everyone's sense of humour, but that is my reaction to the last depressing page of posts that the Sam Concert, rather than being the highlight of the evening, might be relegated to future DLC. That makes me a sad panda.....

I just went through an update, at least the part that is ready, don't ask stupid questions, how did I do it, I was surprised by the part with guitar hero elements

Poser_Voyeur said:

Sounds like someone has been burning the last of their silicon....

That is an attempt at an Astrophysics joke (I have a layman's fascination for Supernova nucleosynthesis).

It may not be to everyone's sense of humour, but that is my reaction to the last depressing page of posts that the Sam Concert, rather than being the highlight of the evening, might be relegated to future DLC. That makes me a sad panda.....

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It really can't be overstated how surprising this turn of events is. For the last year we've been talking about the Sam event as if it were a pivotal moment in the game- or at least in the game's production. And now we're being told to not expect much from it? We can't be the only ones who are surprised by this turn of events. Has anyone on Patreon expressed their surprise or frustration?

GingerSweetGirl said:

It really can't be overstated how surprising this turn of events is. For the last year we've been talking about the Sam even as if it were a pivotal moment in the game- or at least in the game's production. And now we're being told to not expect much from it? We can't be the only ones who are surprised by this turn of events. Has anyone on Patreon expressed their surprise or frustration?

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Nope,they are lapping up his 4k render

KillJoys said:

By this statement I take it that L&P has only been using 1gpu to render, so my question is why is he only using 1 gpu ?
Was all of this just for bragging rights?
If this bar event is not that important there is a lot of things that the dev could of done to reduce rendering times without the use of NVlink

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Remember when I warned you about this 2 years ago?
Lazy&Passive will do everything to drag this along. This 1 GPU stuff was probably a slip up.
And yeah, everything he does when he talks about characters is for bragging rights, like some developer who has 3x his patrons is going to care because L&P managed to put 3x more characters into a scene No one cares. People would be "this looks fantastic" if he took 1 week working on it, not 5 weeks. It's ridiculous.

We're talking about the person who is slow as a turtle, buys new hardware that gets him a 30% speed difference in rendering only to fuck that up and increase the renders to 1080p.
And before anyone comes up and says "oh but 1080p is much better than 720p". Yes it is, and it was proven that scaling the 720p to 1080 through that AIDenoiser or whatever it was called that a member here posted, was more than enough.

If you're new to this topic, do a little post it with the following: "L&P will drag the development cycle as much as he can, he's milking this game" so you can remember it everytime you think about supporting this.

I could go on and on with reasons that make it clear as day that this game isn't meant to be finished but the cycle is always the same now for years.

New people come in, get impressed, give him money. Then they realize this is slow af and there's no point in being a patron on non-update months. So they stop supporting and only download the game until they are fed up with the lack of in game pace also. And then it becomes a "I'll see this in 5 years".

GingerSweetGirl said:

It really can't be overstated how surprising this turn of events is. For the last year we've been talking about the Sam event as if it were a pivotal moment in the game- or at least in the game's production. And now we're being told to not expect much from it? We can't be the only ones who are surprised by this turn of events. Has anyone on Patreon expressed their surprise or frustration?

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There's no script. What do you expect? Do you guys really think there's going to be heterosexual extra-marital anything? It won't get to that point. He's going to dangle that carrot in front of his patreons and some of them, according to the comments in there, only have half a brain so they're def going to chase that carrot forever.

Ara-sH said:

Why there is no gallery mod? I have seen games have gallery mod the same day the got first release!

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he started making this 4 years ago and he will end it in 40 years.
if it's obsolete now, imagine in a decade.

mad_hungarian said:

Seems to me on most of his so called planning, he just shoots from the hip. Always miss target when you shoot this way.

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There's no plan.
This is a dev that doesn't plan anything. 0. He starts an update, fires Daz up and thinks:

"Ok where is this scene going to be?"
"With who? Do I need anyone else?"
>Puts some props, tries clothes, poses etc
Creates 6 renders of a scene per day (that's his actual average btw) and calls it a day
Does this for a week or two
"Oh shit a prop is missing, a piece of meaningless cardboard would look really good here"
"Welp, looks like I have to render the whole thing again"

His average in the last update was:
6 renders created per day
then
Post process 100 renders per day
then (and I kid you not)
2.15 pages of text translated (by 2 people!) per day

on suposedly 11 hours per day, 7 days of the week, his words.

ViperDonkey said:

Remember when I warned you about this 2 years ago?
Lazy&Passive will do everything to drag this along.

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Why Lazy&Passive?

I mean, of course I know it is because he/she/it is named L&P (Lust&Passion).
But what I mean is, why go for a name like "passive" when you could've just used the much more appropriate title of Lazy&Procrastinator?

Ranma said:

Why Lazy&Passive?

I mean, of course I know it is because he/she/it is named L&P (Lust&Passion).
But what I mean is, why go for a name like "passive" when you could've just used the much more appropriate title of Lazy&Procrastinator?

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Sounds better

ViperDonkey said:

Sounds better

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Huh, I guess...
Fair enough.

Dam, the enemy at the gates. To bad. I seen this starting to turn almost two years ago. Through PMs requested he get help. Even brought up Pappa Kill Joy up to him at the time. To bad. A great game. Might get abandoned even before I thought. He has to make changes by the end of the year.
Hope Springs Eternal

GingerSweetGirl said:

It really can't be overstated how surprising this turn of events is. For the last year we've been talking about the Sam event as if it were a pivotal moment in the game- or at least in the game's production. And now we're being told to not expect much from it? We can't be the only ones who are surprised by this turn of events. Has anyone on Patreon expressed their surprise or frustration?

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I feel that his statement is being interpreted in a wrong way. He said not to expect much from this scene, but you have to keep in mind there are two scenes for the Sam event, he is presently working on the bar performance. Whatever is to happen will happen later after the performance in another scene.

As for the DLC, he has mentioning that the bar performance is nothing important from before he started working on the update, so any additional stuff during the performance in the bar will only he a buildup and something not essential to the story. He might be seeing more possibilities at the bar but can't include them all since the scene is already big and will considerably slow down things .

What is essential is the scene afterwards which I feel will be the important part and he hasn't referred to it at all till now in any post about what it's going to be and what to expect, except that it's going to he an interesting event.

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I feel that his statement is being interpreted in a wrong way. He said not to expect much from this scene, but you have to keep in mind there are two scenes for the Sam event, he is presently working on the bar performance. Whatever is to happen will happen later after the performance in another scene.

As for the DLC, he has mentioning that the bar performance is nothing important from before he started working on the update, so any additional stuff during the performance in the bar will only he a buildup and something not essential to the story. He might be seeing more possibilities at the bar but can't include them all since the scene is already big and will considerably slow down things .

What is essential is the scene afterwards which I feel will be the important part and he hasn't referred to it at all till now in any post about what it's going to be and what to expect, except that it's going to he an interesting event.

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I am hoping you are correct. The one thing I am imagining from the bar, as a DLC, is the Bartender going after the rest of Sam's band. And maybe a few of her other female patrons. That would at least make sense to me as a DLC. The band is initiated to the 'problems' associated with a fan following, groupies, just hangers on. Of course, this totally depends on what they are 'hanging' on.

It also would fit with his proclivity toward large age gaps in relationships.

Hornyman2 said:

update ?

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. KillJoys is currently beta testing. Ask him

Sabertooth__ said:

I feel that his statement is being interpreted in a wrong way. He said not to expect much from this scene, but you have to keep in mind there are two scenes for the Sam event, he is presently working on the bar performance. Whatever is to happen will happen later after the performance in another scene.

As for the DLC, he has mentioning that the bar performance is nothing important from before he started working on the update, so any additional stuff during the performance in the bar will only he a buildup and something not essential to the story. He might be seeing more possibilities at the bar but can't include them all since the scene is already big and will considerably slow down things .

What is essential is the scene afterwards which I feel will be the important part and he hasn't referred to it at all till now in any post about what it's going to be and what to expect, except that it's going to he an interesting event.

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If there was absolutely anything interesting about the second part of this event, why do we not know? Most of you guys are still grasping at straws as to if Sam might get Sophia alone.

Alley_Cat said:

If there was absolutely anything interesting about the second part of this event, why do we not know? Most of you guys are still grasping at straws as to if Sam might get Sophia alone.

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We don't know anything because L&P doesn't like to make spoilers! We may like it or not, but this is a fact.

Personally, I assume that Sofia and Sam's evening event may include three elements.
We have freedom for fantasies precisely because there are no specific clarifications from L&P on the content of the evening event, only general information.

Alley_Cat said:

If there was absolutely anything interesting about the second part of this event, why do we not know? Most of you guys are still grasping at straws as to if Sam might get Sophia alone.

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Don't ask me , I don't even understand what is interesting in the Sam route to begin with. I mentioned the part about it being a interesting event from the message KillJoys posted of L&P here.



For all I wish Sam should get nothing from this event but we all know that's not going to happen. I am not a Sam fan so all this talk about him in the thread all the time isn't very pleasing. So all I wish for is that he gets done with Sam as soon as possible and moves to Cathy.